tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post2553049270034054239..comments2018-01-10T01:04:08.146-08:00Comments on Of No Interest To Anybody Else But Me...: The State of The Music Industryandybhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06421247441927494136noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-16346518520076044732011-08-21T00:28:36.110-07:002011-08-21T00:28:36.110-07:00The CD I talked about an artist clearing £8 from w...The CD I talked about an artist clearing £8 from was a live CD that was pictured. Although Jane Tylor has released CDs through normal channels this was very 'homemade'and that was my point, she had handdraw the cover, it was a live recording (good quality)no label on the CD and a cardboard slip case. I may be naive but not naive to think artists usually make £8 from a Cd sold for £10. So you don't manage bands and I don't manage bands, not sure where you or I got that idea from.andybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421247441927494136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-41476801582609657942011-08-20T04:00:00.800-07:002011-08-20T04:00:00.800-07:00Hi andyb thanks for the reply, yes it struck a ner...Hi andyb thanks for the reply, yes it struck a nerve, when somebody writes that bands 'clear' £8 from a CD they sell for £10, you should not be surprised if you write this that somebody might pick up on that. The statement is so stunningly naive that I find it hard to believe you are managing a band. But, stranger things have happened and I wish you good luck, especially the band.<br /><br />The thing that annoys me most about it that it leads other people to actually believe small bands are making a profit and are 'ripping off their loyal fans' just because they charge a few pounds more. Likelyhood is that 99% of bands out there will never ever recover a minute percentage of the time and money investment they have made over the entire span of their 'career'. It is just utterly foolish and petty to accuse any entertainer out there of ripping off their fans because you don't agree with their pricing structure. As a manager such comments should worry you. <br /><br />Don't know how anybody got the idea I am managing bands myself, I certainly don't, which makes the first reply even sillier than it would be even if the assumption was correct...<br /><br />Sorry if I interrupted the backslapping cosiness, I am outa here, normal service can be resumed.Smithereenitieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14113278353567966567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-32685141099764083752011-08-19T09:21:55.829-07:002011-08-19T09:21:55.829-07:00I seem to have struck a nerve with you. I'm no...I seem to have struck a nerve with you. I'm not giving 'your' bands business advice, merely expresing an opinion, and we all have them. Mine as a gig goer and music buyer you as a band manager (I assume). All I'm trying to say is the world is changing,not for the best but it's chaning like it or not. <br /><br />You quote Zeppelin, Bowie, New York Dolls and the Velvet Underground, all great bands, however all operating when the music industry was very different, times have moved on. Would those bands be successful today who knows. I would like to think quality is always found but we all know thats not the case.Bands need to use all the avenues available in order to gain exposure and I was merely pointing out as a music fan some of my experiences of where bands are doing something different.<br /><br />As an aside I just read a book called Marketing Lessons From The Grateful Dead you might want to have a read.(or not) <br /><br />I'm not naive enough to think that of the £15 charged for a CD it all goes to the band however, I'm also not stupid enough to pay £15 for something that is not (in my opinion) worth £15, and yes I will fuck off, with my £15 still in my pocket. I know who loses out(not me).<br /><br />I find it interesting you don't mention any of the positives I mention, or do you not see any?<br /><br />I wish it was 1984 again, work was piss easy and we didn't seem to have a care in the world,but it's 2011 and life is tough.Every business has to adapt, and like it or not bands are businesses and the most successful one's have always been run that way!andybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421247441927494136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-52794160754890774782011-08-19T09:07:03.259-07:002011-08-19T09:07:03.259-07:00Having read the comment, I think there is a discon...Having read the comment, I think there is a disconnect between what I see as a reason to be in a band / make music and what Smithereenities seems to want.<br />My view is that you go into a band as a way of making music, not as a business. He (I assume it is a he) seems to want the best of both worlds.<br />Everyone commenting and reading this blog wants bands to exist and be new, and we all pay for our music, but the days of the £15 CD are over.<br />If you want to make music and maybe make some money, carry on doing that.<br />If you want to make money, the one thing you need, which he says he doesn't want his bands to do is have a "business plan"<br />The two things are different, not mutually exclusive, but the band needs to know which is their preferred route.<br /><br />1) Make the music you want and hope people like it and buy it, see you live<br />2) Have a business, a part of which is making musicSimonj68https://www.blogger.com/profile/16550017017109568247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-24312028493774831292011-08-19T08:55:42.371-07:002011-08-19T08:55:42.371-07:00I don't want to see any of his bands.I don't want to see any of his bands.Dom CMMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00443341150043392037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-60554273454793411612011-08-19T05:54:38.457-07:002011-08-19T05:54:38.457-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Smithereenitieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14113278353567966567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-10742791905230099342011-08-19T01:03:10.630-07:002011-08-19T01:03:10.630-07:00Simon you are right £10 my limit re Tour CD's ...Simon you are right £10 my limit re Tour CD's as the percentage the artist gets is far higher and they are becoming greedy. Love getting defferent material though. They just need to give it some thought.Additional stuff posters etc isn't revolutionary, they just need some business advice....andybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421247441927494136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-30553683946144855982011-08-19T00:54:17.103-07:002011-08-19T00:54:17.103-07:00Great read Andy.
I think there is a fine balance, ...Great read Andy.<br />I think there is a fine balance, some "gig" cds are coming out at £15 / £20 which to me is actually ripping off your actual loyal fans. Like you say I would rather buy direct from the artist as it gives them the money, but by the same token, the price needs to balance.<br />I have 1000s of CDs and am thinking or "rationalising" them, as the vast majority mean nothing to me. Bland cover, cheap plastic or cardboard sleeve etc. Nothing like the vinyl days ;-)Simonj68https://www.blogger.com/profile/16550017017109568247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-88238904960747376112011-08-18T15:03:37.810-07:002011-08-18T15:03:37.810-07:00James, I think it's easy for music becasue the...James, I think it's easy for music becasue the media is simplier, but it's adapt or die. Don't think the film industry is there yet but maybe it's what it has to do. Just not sure how they/you could do it. Worth a discussion over a pint some day.andybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421247441927494136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367042489395598065.post-26546511702967392662011-08-18T13:26:56.507-07:002011-08-18T13:26:56.507-07:00This is interesting, and I wonder if, in any way, ...This is interesting, and I wonder if, in any way, could be applied to the film industry. Middle men have been taking the piss for so long, it's good to see the artists getting the remuneration they deserve.jazadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00541318880941029864noreply@blogger.com